The Featured Artists’ Coalition (FAC), which formed this past March to give artists an equal voice in the P2P debate, and has repeatedly voiced its objection to any legislation that would criminalize file-sharing by music fans, held an “urgent” summit yesterday to discuss illegal file-sharing.
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47 Responses
10.13.2009
Whether they’re for or against it, it’s all about the money.
10.13.2009
"urgent summit" = "Fix Lily Allen’s *****-Up"
10.13.2009
Well, the artists DO deserve to get paid for their work. Of course, it wouldn’t be such a huge issue if the record companies didn’t bend them over the counter in their contracts.
10.13.2009
Do these people really think that by pulling off this crap they are going to make me want to buy their stuffP2P FTW
10.13.2009
At least they’re having an intelligent discussion, although I don’t personally like the agreement. I think it was a result of Lily Allen’s stormage, it leaves too much room for abuse, and you can’t (I say can’t loosely) throttle P2P traffic without throttling legitimate content. Also, there are ways around the throttling, which in my mind just renders the whole concept of throttling P2P traffic as a waste of time and money.
10.13.2009
I think that everyone underestimates how quickly new technologies will pop up to circumvent any type of throttling based on what type of traffic you’re moving. You can’t beat the internet no matter how hard you try.As Obi-Wan Kenobi said: "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
10.13.2009
I think it’s simpler than that. Pirating stuff = Not spending money, but getting the goods anyway. That’s how it’s about the money for pirates. That’s certainly how it’s about the money for me when I download stuff. It’s easier, sure, but I’m definitely glad I’m not paying.
10.13.2009
… and good luck trying to stop something decentralized.
10.13.2009
Want….now.Make this a reality.
10.13.2009
As long as they address the (what should be illegal) hoarding until the end of time copyrights on works. American copyright was established to prevent the style of copyright in Europe where holders (believe it or not) controlled media indefinitely. Copyright under the new rules had "term limits" (which unlike term limits for elected officials was actually a good thing) and established a growing public domain. Public domain now is basically dead since it can no longer grow. Those that own content will own it until the human race is dust. And creativity will die because of it.
10.13.2009
Go ahead, strike down bittorrent.Let the decentralization and encryption of the filesharing universe begin.
10.13.2009
First off, there is plenty of content available from artists who release their works under creative commons and free software licenses. I can’t imagine they’d stop creating if selling individual copies is no longer viable because they don’t rely on a distribution model in the first place. Also anything already made wouldn’t just magically disappear. (older content != boring content)
10.13.2009
They’re not trying to make you want to buy their stuff. They’re trying to leave you with no other option than to buy their stuff if (and only if) you want to enjoy the work they’ve spent a lot of time, talent and money to create. That’s not the same thing.
10.13.2009
Argh, grammar rape!
10.13.2009
I am, thank you.
10.13.2009
I don’t think the outcome will be intelligent strategy, its just another meeting to propogate the holy war on people sharing things.
10.13.2009
Really? tell me how people who download copies of movies or games or average software make money from it?You think there is a market for downloading and selling copies when its so easy to share?
10.13.2009
I know, you’re a regular Robin Hood. Don’t let Lord RIAA stop you from doing your good work.
10.13.2009
Remember its digg down, report then block
10.13.2009
They should have 7 years to profit from their work, then it should go public. Since copyright is now a complete lock down of works until the end of time I choose to ignore it. "They" can rot. I don’t care. I would gladly participate in a legitimate system paying my way as I went. But I will not pay for music that was recorded 50 years ago more than I paid for it 50 years ago. That’s just crap! It’s time for that copyright pendulum to swing back.
10.13.2009
The Video Bay is a start, although it’s not distributed or encrypted. But a youtube clone that doesn’t respond to DMCA requests? Sounds good. Of course, it’s still very very early beta and is really nothing more than a tech demo at the moment. Hopefully it succeeds.In any case, DHT and peer exchange are decent starts. Even when my internet is for all intents and purposes down and I can’t get any DNS or anything from my ISP, my torrents keep going without the trackers. I don’t know how well they would work if nobody was connected to a tracker though.
10.13.2009
smurf,So you are honestly saying, can believe with a straight face that piracy means that it will be impossible to profit from one’;s work, and that ALL creativity will die?What a ***** illogical proposition you make.
10.13.2009
You can’t stop technology and innovation. If they won’t create the means, we will.
10.13.2009
We need to be reexamining copywright law and what constitutes intellectual property, not giving the ISPs more control. Times are changing, time for people to get their heads out of their asses and stop trying to save the monolith of the music industry.
10.13.2009
Then after they have the end-to-end streaming video service the broadband providers will simply throttle back all non-verified connection back to dial-up speed, so you can’t effectively stream anything (Well unless you are a verified large corporate entity, or a person paying extortion fees to the RIAA and MPAA)
10.13.2009
They started out by blocking ports commonly used by P2P programsNow they actually (illegally) look inside the data you’re receiving/transmitting and check the actual dataNow, we encrypt P2P traffic. Though there are claims they have (illegally) broken our encryption. Though the DMCA can’t be used to protect consumers of course. Only rich *****
10.13.2009
Why, there was a time and age when musicians got room, board, food, ink, parchment, and instruments — that’s it.
10.13.2009
Well, atleast it was sort of entertaining. About as entertaining as the spam I kept getting last summer that would always have a subject of "[email address] you are Moron!", then quoted random bits of Lord of the Rings and then finally attached a picture of a chick going down on a guy.
10.13.2009
So your trolling my comments, i feel…validated…lol!They will never stop making accounts.
10.13.2009
"i do think creator has the right to protect his/her product from theft"Except for two problems:1) The creator isn’t the one doing the "protecting"2) If you knew anything about copyright, it has nothing to do with theft of any kind.
10.13.2009
Yeah…because people should be able to give thngs away that they don’t own the rights to. ***** people who actually create, or spend millions of dollars financing the creation are works of art.
10.13.2009
Then the FCC will rape them
10.13.2009
Portnoy: I agree that, if you’ve already bought the music, you shouldn’t have to pay again. I’ve certainly paid my share to the Beatles and other such bands, and I don’t see the point in re-buying stuff over and over. Likewise with videos I saw in the theater, then bought the VHS, then the DVD.AndroidHell2: Whether they CAN or not is another question. I’m just answering the OP’s question.
10.13.2009
next the NA coalition of Christian churches will endorse throttling for Porn sites
10.13.2009
"so if i copy a program or music and give it to my friend for free. yea thats totally not stealing. /s"That’s what the law says, take it up with those who write and enforce the laws, not me."…but to download something you didnt pay for or rip something you paid for then resell it to people, that is thef"I downloaded Gimp. It was free and open source, I paid nothing for it. See the error in your logic?If being creative means losing all grasp of legal fact and logical reasoning, no thanks.
10.13.2009
None of those links actually work, i checked this kind of posting before and its just dead end non existent pages, what is the point of this crap?
10.13.2009
And people who trade pirated CDs should receive two strongly worded letters in the mail, and then have their cars modified so they can still buy food, but can’t drive over 25 mph.
10.13.2009
Just wondering, I’m not that into the network side of things, but how does P2P traffic differ from normal traffic? eg. If I set up a webserver with a pirated movie on it, or if I create a tracker for that one pirated movie with me being the only seeder, what is the difference between those two, and how can it be seen differently and throttle one and not the other?
10.13.2009
They’ll digg you down, but you’re right.If there’s going to be any reasonable discourse on this subject, the P2P fanboys out there are going to have to join the real world and be honest about what piracy is. If you’re copying something that someone else created, you’re a pirate. I do it all the time, but I’m not going to try and candy-coat it. I download music I’ll never pay for (in most cases, it’s stuff I’ve bought many times over already) and I download games I’ll never pay for (in most cases I take them for a spin and then get rid of them), so I’m a pirate. Categorizing seeders along with charities is just ***** ridiculous, and a logic-fail of the highest order.
10.13.2009
Giving things away that have been created has been going on for centuries, charities do it, seeders do it, friends do it, your reasoning fails.
10.13.2009
***** the FAC!
10.13.2009
They can’t leave us with any other option, no matter how hard they try. And their efforts are doing incredible damage to the internet. Bittorrent is an incredibly innovative way to share files, and it’s being hampered by these idiots.With that said, as others have pointed out, the more damage they do to bittorrent, the faster people will come up with something better.
10.13.2009
travelsonic,If an artist explicitly states publicly or in writing on a website, etc. that other have the right to distribute their music freely, then one of two things is true:1) If they are an indie band and previously owned the rights to their own music, then they just gave up the rights to that music, and thus, you as the listener can distribute it without being a pirate because you DO have the rights now, along with everyone else.2) If a label owns that band’s music, then when they say it’s OK to distribute it, THEY are pirates and are breaking the law, as well as anybody else who follows their advice.Neither of those scenarios is a counterexample to Jummy’s statement, which still holds true generally as far as I can see.Plus, your opinion about generalizable statements overall is ridiculous. For example, "If I have two of something, and then I obtain another two of that same something, I will have four of that something." is ALWAYS correct.
10.13.2009
I never thought i would see the day when people sharing things with each other selflessly and without any returns for it is seen as bad.I download the film from someone else, and i seed it so other people can do the same, without expecting anything in return, and corporations are having a barney about it, this crap has to stop.
10.13.2009
Ends justify the means?
10.13.2009
Hey, your name is on a card in the Weird Al video "Bob"!!Cool, eh?
10.13.2009
Is THAT what FLAC stands for?