Digital music sales in piracy-loving Sweden have soared this year. The music industry says that it’s all about tough new laws and court prosecutions, but some major labels are seeing worldwide increases.
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50 Responses
12.13.2009
who cares. But if you do buy music make sure you check riaaradar.com and make sure you are not giving any money to companies that support the RIAA. You can stick it to them one lost sale at a time.
12.13.2009
What this doesn’t show is the percentage of "increased sales" came from people who were downloading prior to the new laws.Correlation != Causation.
12.13.2009
A good start would be to do an analysis comparing countries where prosecution strategies have remained the same vs. countries with increased prosecution.I doubt the music industry actually wants data on this.
12.13.2009
Well, if that isn’t a bunch of horse *****, I don’t know what is… Btw, internet… we still need to put a stop to ACTA (and castrate everyone involved in pushing this draconian piece of trash onto humanity): eff.org/issues/acta
12.13.2009
No one yet?Well, I’ll take one for the team:***** THE RIAA!
12.13.2009
R.I.P The Pirate Bay. Viva Demonoid!BTW, does anyone know when Demonoid will come back up again?
12.13.2009
Increase in sales =/= decrease in piracy.Increase in piracy =/= decreased sales.
12.13.2009
I don’t buy CD’s, haven’t in years… But oddly enough, I don’t download that much anymore either. The radio keeps me happy, with Pandora if I want something specific.
12.13.2009
No, correlation does not imply causation. The correct statement is "correlation between events A and B implies an increased probability that A and B are not independent events".Or, in the words of xkcd, "Correlation doesn’t imply causation, but it does waggle its eyebrows suggestively and gesture furtively while mouthing ‘look over there’."
12.13.2009
It would be nice if they’d present more than just the traffic levels. A comparison of that to sales would be a good start. Also, a comparison of similar countries with no recent changes in these kinds of laws would be nice to.Until I get some solid information on the details instead of "worldwide revenue increase of 4.6 percent", I’ll just assume that the music industry is making whatever conclusions it wants.
12.13.2009
Spotify is hugely popular in Sweden and some of the uptake in digital music sales are due to the application being available on Android, iPhone and since a few days, Symbian. The mobile client requires that you pay for a premium account, which is around $9 per month and then you get unlimited access to the entire catalog with the ability to sync music to your device so you can listen to the tracks when you’re offline. So we don’t really pirate less because of new laws. We pirate less _music_ because it’s a lot easier to find what you want in Spotify than scouring though torrent sites… a lot quicker too. And this is what we pirates has been saying for years; build easy to use alternatives to downloading and we’ll use them.
12.13.2009
RIAA Radar is obsolete thanks to recent changes in law, now Sound Exchange / RIAA gets a cut of EVERY new purchase from a major reseller. And with the number of mama / papa shops closing it’s doors due to aggressive and price competitive competition, it makes keeping away from RIAA monetary interests, although – if more stores click CD Warehouse start to pop up and sell second hand music, you can obtain RIAA artists and they don’t get a dime until they ratify the laws again and there are still pawn shops that you could utilize using the same lines of logic.Isn’t having a government enforced monopoly great?
12.13.2009
We are not buying music, we are using Spotify./Swede
12.13.2009
Because I believe that ‘as an artist’ it better for me to have my music listened to then not. Their business model stops people listening to my music, unless… it’s on their terms. And that’s a bad thing. Personally (as ‘an artist’ who brings the ingredients to to the pot) I couldn’t give a ***** about the amount of money they make… it’s very rare that I get to see any of it.
12.13.2009
" Music’s major labels say that sales of digital downloads are up 18 percent in the first nine months of 2009 in Sweden."FTR: the major music labels will say anything in order to prove that cutting down of music piracy and ending P2P and bittorent is making sales increase. Then… they will take this (heavily biased) data to the law courts of other territories in order to push through their draconian plans and keep the status quo of ‘ripping off artists and ***** over music lovers’ business model intact.They’re like dying rats… they’ll do anything to keep themselves alive, including going straight for an assumed attackers throat without bias.
12.13.2009
holychiken maybe they are not doing it for today’s money. I think their motivation is to gain control now, and hold the status quo for as long as they can, and hope to have revenues for a longer period of time.
12.13.2009
Digital sales are increasing because actual CD media sales have tanked. I know more people who buy vinyl (as it’s actually a collectable item and not digital data on an archaic medium) than CDs at this point.
12.13.2009
@ThinkExist…where (if at all) did you learn basic logic? Given correlation to be true, and the statement "correlation implies causation", we can pretty easily conclude causation must be true. Thankfully, correlation does *not* imply causation, so we can’t make these stupid conclusions.
12.13.2009
It’s all about availability. With the pirate bay, the music business had to find something more appealing than itunes or even discs. Come spotify, last.fm, pandora, grooveshark and imeem. They made it happen, no damn law. (Voddler is just about to break through on the movies’ front)
12.13.2009
Their agenda is monopoly control.They control speakers (You have to pay to play in public, this money goes to??? which is why you can’t sample new tracks in the online press articles – they have to pay and they refuse to advertise and pay for the privalage of doing that when the costs involved in just getting it online are quite high to begin with)They control who listens (Borders are still being enforced)They control which artists is number one (Fudging charts is nothing new – they own the chart company or group)They control the radio stations (Play this and we will take care of yo mumma)They control the money (Just because you sold 1 trillion units, er copies does not make you money)They control the media (New format = new sales)The control the advertising (Want to be number one? Get on your knees, put this here)Competition is bad..
12.13.2009
Or maybe they figured out how to encrypt their torrents.
12.13.2009
The RIAA/MPAA signify the status quo of rich people staying rich by riding the backs of the artist.They are no longer needed to market the artists’ creations.So ***** THE RIAA/MPAA!
12.13.2009
Not everybody who says that pirates music… oh yeah, in your *****, logicless RIAA induced world, that has to be impossible. /facepalm.
12.13.2009
This sort of ***** is put out just to create the illusion that the RIAA is still needed.
12.13.2009
"as soon as possible" Aren’t I a big help. A week or so ago the Maintenance page changed to saying the deleted code was being re-written, and that it would be back soon. It shouldn’t be too long…
12.13.2009
Yeah that’s a great way to make sure you never listen to anything mainstream ever again!I’ll stick to pirating and going to concerts, thanks.
12.13.2009
I think its just the tracker thats down.The links should still work with DHT
12.13.2009
The real measure is whether the quality of music getting better. In the United States, copyrights are only constitutionally allowed if they "promote the useful arts and sciences". Any copyright law that doesn’t cause the useful arts and sciences to be promoted is unconstitutional. So .. just because some record company executives are getting fat .. doesn’t mean the US should use it as an excuse to make draconian copyright laws.
12.13.2009
I purchase music when the artist gets the money – independent online artists are growing more and more every day and it works. Websites are popping up to support them and their buisiness model is far more organic that the labels. I have purchased music this way and will continue to do so in future, I have not purchased a CD since 1997 and will never do so again. Firstly – they take up space and secondly, have a party and see how many got nicked / scratched / trashed. Live in the tropics and watch the fungus eat the data.No thanks – not purchasing music from the labels and their militant monopoly tactics that involve a government elected to represent me being lied to and tied down in legal mud raking wars that involve the little man being sued to oblivion over a few tracks of music.The labels have no shame. I am not funding their lawyers or their mansions. When rich men start making laws the nation is doomed!
12.13.2009
Have a source for that law change? Not trying to insinuate you are being untruthful, I just want to make sure its true before I rage.
12.13.2009
That made me think of us as Fight Club
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12.13.2009
Library, Lan Party, Swap Meet.USB hard drive case + 1TB HDD = swap frenzy…
12.13.2009
Shhh… some of us are trying to read. /library
12.13.2009
TPB is alive, they only shut down the tracker. Now they are relying on DHT and PEX.
12.13.2009
Is that why they tried to kill Pandora for so long?
12.13.2009
I think it’s funny how indignant thieves become when laws are passed that threaten their thievery.
12.13.2009
I thought that law got blocked? I remember it being suggested, but (hopefully like ACTA) it was too crazy for politicians to pass. It was a part of the one that would put Pandora out of business. Pandora isn’t out of business. Ergo, I think it got blocked.
12.13.2009
Enjoy organising so much data :>
12.13.2009
Probably same as they’ve been for a long time: Negligable. It’s impossible to achieve high sales without the marketing and promotional power of a major label and their distribution contracts with retailers.
12.13.2009
Of course, fabricated numbers used as solid evidence in their favor…means that the music industry can present these numbers in other countries in an attempt to speed through legislation to do the same things."Hey, we have this solid proof that X fixes Y….we need a law that will address this. Don’t worry, it will boost sales and improve the economy…"
12.13.2009
It would be kind of interesting to get the numbers on sales for music that does not support the RIAA, see what kind of trend is happening.
12.13.2009
Just attempting to listen to a single track this is what you have to do…Dear Pandora Visitor,We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative. sign in <<<——-_______________________________________________last.fmYou must be logged in to listen to Last.fm Radio. Don’t have a profile? Signup now for free. It only takes a moment. sign in <<<——-_______________________________________________SpotifyThis product is not available in your country yet. sign in <<<——-_________________________________Groveshark is a flash site – CNBF__________________________________imeemLog in to listen sign in <<<——-Sign in? Why? Is this about my inbox?
12.13.2009
Logical implication is as follows.Def. A implies B.If A is true, then B is true.If A is false, then B may be true or false.If you say correlation implies causation, that means (in a logical sense) that if correlation exists, there is a causative relationship. This is not the case.You’re off the hook if you’re only using "imply" in a literary sense to mean "suggests", but you should pick a better word.
12.13.2009
sven, just bcause you can’t understand it doesn’t make it impossible.
12.13.2009
It was blocked on the federal level but some states have levied a "tax" to all music which if i remember correctly monetarily benefited the RIAA it was done right around the time that asset forfeiture laws were passed for file sharing in California. I’ll do some digging and see if I can find which states thought this was a good idea.RIAA did something similar with their online branch of their racket (SoundExchange) where online stations were by passing (or so they thought) RIAA music and play from non RIAA artists / labels, and the RIAA fixed that little loophole by making themselves the go to company to collect all artist on air play royalties. Which was the law that had Pandora in the ringer for a while, until Tim Westerngren was able to negotiate I believe was a % of revenue licensing agreement, which is only good for I believe is only good for the term of their contractual agreement (3 – 5 years) at which time the RIAA can arbitrarily inflate their royalty fees through the Copyright Royalty Board.
12.13.2009
How come TPB still offer torrent links?
12.13.2009
Because that isn’t the point, sven.The point is the introduction of draconian laws that go beyond reason, risking the development of technology – and legal uses of them.And piracy is piracy, not theft, genius. Doesn’t make it right, but at least make a logically correct assertion.
12.13.2009
You can’t pwn anybody with retard’s logic.fail.
12.13.2009
You did a good thing ya did.